---
title: "Ask a CISO podcast: Decoupling authorization from your applications"
description: "Alex discusses the difference between authorization and authentication, how authorization fits into business logic and the ways of approaching authZ for your cloud security."
author: "Alex Olivier"
date: "2025-09-17T20:44:51.572Z"
canonical: "https://open.spotify.com/episode/1Bc7t5SEABLSVlL3pxI4hh?si=014cf5dc5cfb4575&nd=1"
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tags: ["presentation"]
source: "https://www.cerbos.dev/news/ask-a-ciso-podcast-decoupling-authorization-from-your-applications"
---

# Ask a CISO podcast: Decoupling authorization from your applications

In [this episode of the Ask a CISO podcast](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1Bc7t5SEABLSVlL3pxI4hh?si=014cf5dc5cfb4575&nd=1), join [Alex Olivier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexolivier/), Product Lead at Cerbos, as he speaks about authorization with [Raphaël Peyret](https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAAXHNjABXxTSixCwzebtSEtk5Xh%5F1tDL2BQ), VP of Product at Horangi. Alex discusses the difference between authorization and authentication, how authorization fits into business logic and the ways of approaching authZ for your cloud security.

Don't miss this engaging conversation. Listen to (or watch!) the latest episode of the Ask a CISO podcast now and learn how Cerbos can help improve your application's performance, security, and streamline its access control logic.


## Relevant links

Are you looking to improve your application's authorization logic and security? Look no further than Cerbos! Discover how Cerbos works and explore its powerful features, including:

* [Cerbos Hub](https://www.cerbos.dev/product-cerbos-hub), a control plane for Cerbos
* the [Cerbos playground](https://cerbos.dev/playground), where you can easily build and test policies in an online editor
* the [Cerbos ecosystem](https://cerbos.dev/ecosystem) and its seamless integrations with various SDKs, modern frameworks, and authentication providers
* how to unlock the full potential of Cerbos by learning about the [conditions](https://docs.cerbos.dev/cerbos/latest/policies/conditions.html) you can use in policies with Google's CEL
* understand how to build [Derived Roles](https://docs.cerbos.dev/cerbos/latest/policies/derived%5Froles.html) for contextual role decisions
* take advantage of Cerbos' [unit testing and validating and testing policies in a CI/CD pipeline](https://docs.cerbos.dev/cerbos/latest/policies/compile.html#ci-environments)
* discover the [various deployment patterns](https://docs.cerbos.dev/cerbos/latest/deployment/index.html) and learn how to deploy Cerbos as a [sidecar](https://docs.cerbos.dev/cerbos/latest/deployment/k8s-sidecar.html).

Get started building your first policies with ease and join the [companies that trust Cerbos in production for their authorization needs](https://cerbos.dev/customers).